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But as the loop initiator, you are going to have to choose how many times you continue your loop, right? 1x Canyon Slough. ._1aTW4bdYQHgSZJe7BF2-XV{display:-ms-grid;display:grid;-ms-grid-columns:auto auto 42px;grid-template-columns:auto auto 42px;column-gap:12px}._3b9utyKN3e_kzVZ5ngPqAu,._21RLQh5PvUhC6vOKoFeHUP{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px}._21RLQh5PvUhC6vOKoFeHUP:before{content:"";margin-right:4px;color:#46d160}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK,._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{display:inline-block;word-break:break-word}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK{font-weight:500}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK,._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{font-size:12px;line-height:16px}._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{font-weight:400;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin-top:13px;margin-bottom:2px}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO ._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;margin-right:4px;margin-left:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y{border-radius:4px;box-sizing:border-box;height:21px;width:21px}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y:nth-child(2),._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y:nth-child(3){margin-left:-9px} But even if you somehow manage to end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) during a cleanup step, this will only move the turn to another cleanup step and any "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects will end during that new step (C.R. by Mimicvat 2 years ago, Post 1x Blightstep Pathway. 514.2, 514.3a). As you've got access to Blue, there are a few non-Rakdos tricks you can use, the most hilarious I know of is Mass Diminish, note that it lasts until your next turn and have a good laugh. I can't say I've heard of not being allowed to activate a free ability that shuffles your deck, especially because you might end up with the same card on top. 1x Command Tower. What do you think about adding anger, lightning greaves and hall of the bandit lord for haste? This site is unaffiliated. You are 'looping' only before the resolution of Obeka, putting so many Obeka actions on the stack. by Cobara86, Time after Time In this deck tech I've tried a taste of all three.Pat. I think I have a much better grasp on it now and we wont be confused the whole time we play . The gamestate has now returned to where it was before. Jesper Ejsing. Terms of Use | Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. Discord Server | Sometimes a loop can be fragmented, meaning that each player involved in the loop performs an independent action that results in the same game state being reached multiple times. Card Number: 289. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. EDIT (Oct. 24, 2022): Strike out special case for Delina, according to changes in Oracle text. Terms of Use | Discord Server | It would be the active player not the one who started the loop. Since there don't seem to be any follow-ups or corrections to be made, I've chosen one to mark as the "Accepted answer" so that this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. Commander / EDH* Casual Combo Haste Jank Multiplayer Reanimator Theme/Gimmick Tokens UBR (Grixis) Unearth. Obeka, Brute Chronologist Commander Primer - Decklist & How to Play. ._1QwShihKKlyRXyQSlqYaWW{height:16px;width:16px;vertical-align:bottom}._2X6EB3ZhEeXCh1eIVA64XM{margin-left:3px}._1jNPl3YUk6zbpLWdjaJT1r{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;padding:0 4px}._1jNPl3YUk6zbpLWdjaJT1r._39BEcWjOlYi1QGcJil6-yl{padding:0}._2hSecp_zkPm_s5ddV2htoj{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;margin-left:0;padding:0 4px}._2hSecp_zkPm_s5ddV2htoj._39BEcWjOlYi1QGcJil6-yl{padding:0}._1wzhGvvafQFOWAyA157okr{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;box-sizing:border-box;line-height:14px;padding:0 4px}._3BPVpMSn5b1vb1yTQuqCRH,._1wzhGvvafQFOWAyA157okr{display:inline-block;height:16px}._3BPVpMSn5b1vb1yTQuqCRH{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-body);border-radius:50%;margin-left:5px;text-align:center;width:16px}._2cvySYWkqJfynvXFOpNc5L{height:10px;width:10px}.aJrgrewN9C8x1Fusdx4hh{padding:2px 8px}._1wj6zoMi6hRP5YhJ8nXWXE{font-size:14px;padding:7px 12px}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y{border-radius:20px}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y:hover{opacity:.85}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y:active{transform:scale(.95)} The way I understand it is the term "end of turn" is something that triggers every turn. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. I could theoretically choose a lower number than my opponent but there's no reason to, and so the loop repeats however many times the opponent chose and now they must make a new decision: end the turn. So you can activate obeka in the cleanup step. Another Goad source that is great with a creature heavy board is Agitator Ant, which is hilarious a lot of the time. Cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are also good at digging for a land, but I know in Talrand it stings pretty bad when you Preordain and don't find a land and I needed one. Ending the turn skips directly to the cleanup step of the turn. The opponent can't choose more No than you can choose Untap. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. ._2a172ppKObqWfRHr8eWBKV{-ms-flex-negative:0;flex-shrink:0;margin-right:8px}._39-woRduNuowN7G4JTW4I8{margin-top:12px}._136QdRzXkGKNtSQ-h1fUru{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:8px 0;width:100%}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_,._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{margin-left:auto}._1-25VxiIsZFVU88qFh-T8p{padding:0}._2nxyf8XcTi2UZsUInEAcPs._2nxyf8XcTi2UZsUInEAcPs{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetTextColor)} Just wanted to say that this is a such a brilliant answer - you sound like an academic. However, if this happens the game does another Cleanup Step once this one ends. There was a ruling question I had that took forever to understand because it wasn't specified whether she copied the spell "each time she visited the attraction" or "one time when she visited the attraction". Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. Using Obeka to end the turn with the "until end of turn" triggers on the stack does stop those triggers during the first cleanup step but do those triggers still trigger again at the next cleanup step that follows? I don't believe this means that they then have to choose differently, just that you shortcut to their xth choice. Obeka has been the hardest nut for me to crack deck wise. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} It's amazing. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Card Text: . DMCA requests | The game advances through the lowest number of iterations chosen and the player who chose that number receives priority. Don't know if it fits the theme of the deck, but it's an absolute pet card. Spectacular Showdown is a great card if you've actually got a board of your own to finish people off, keep in mind that on your next turn, you not only won't have been attacked by any pre-existing creature, everyone else will have swung for the fences with Double Strike, and they will likely have nothing left to defend with, making your Double Strikers very effective. They decline to end the turn. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) You might get away with adding 2 mana ramp, but I'd still aim for at least 36 lands (or MDFCs that count as a land, you probably already have the best two MDFCs in those colours, but people also run Malakir Rebirth Greven, Predator Captain the One Punch Man, Community Software Feedback and Bug Reports, Tresserhorn (zombies, check out my primer! I was looking at your land count and average Mana Value and I think you probably are running too few lands at this point, it's very tempting to cut them, but 30 is probably too few for a MV that is over 2.5. A few to consider removing (I may be missing why you have them in, so user discretion is advised or something): Archive Trap, Outpost Siege, Palace Siege, Ponder, Preordain, Haunting Echoes, Cruel Ultimatum (this seems insanely hard to cast, and hits only 1 player, unless you can copy it I'd run Captive Audience if I want to hose one player hard), Cranial Extraction, Cormela, Glamour Thief, Kess, Dissident Mage, Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger, Lobber Crew, Loyal Subordinate, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Obeka, Brute Chronologist, Phenax, God of Deception, Runo Stromkirk It's akin to "concede or I stall". At any point in the game, the player with priority may suggest a shortcut by describing a sequence of game choices, for all players, that may be legally taken based on the current game state and the predictable results of the sequence of choices. As you will be the next player with extra turns it means that the. "At the beginning of the next end step" is now used when something needs to trigger after the second main phase. ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} Like you, I have wanted to build around this card since I first saw it, but never as the commander. There are two effects to look out for here. ._2ik4YxCeEmPotQkDrf9tT5{width:100%}._1DR1r7cWVoK2RVj_pKKyPF,._2ik4YxCeEmPotQkDrf9tT5{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center}._1DR1r7cWVoK2RVj_pKKyPF{-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center;max-width:100%}._1CVe5UNoFFPNZQdcj1E7qb{-ms-flex-negative:0;flex-shrink:0;margin-right:4px}._2UOVKq8AASb4UjcU1wrCil{height:28px;width:28px;margin-top:6px}.FB0XngPKpgt3Ui354TbYQ{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:start;align-items:flex-start;-ms-flex-direction:column;flex-direction:column;margin-left:8px;min-width:0}._3tIyrJzJQoNhuwDSYG5PGy{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;width:100%}.TIveY2GD5UQpMI7hBO69I{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;color:var(--newRedditTheme-titleText);white-space:nowrap;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis}.e9ybGKB-qvCqbOOAHfFpF{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;width:100%;max-width:100%;margin-top:2px}.y3jF8D--GYQUXbjpSOL5.y3jF8D--GYQUXbjpSOL5{font-weight:400;box-sizing:border-box}._28u73JpPTG4y_Vu5Qute7n{margin-left:4px} There is a smattering of ways you can run less lands/ramp, but these all come with downsides, but in Grixis you can run 4 solid Bounce Lands, Dimir Aqueduct and Guildless Commons should be in here as well if you want a lower land count, these let you hit another land drop when you draw them. Flip, Spear Spewer, and Thermo-Alchemist.Some maybe cards include Angrath, Captain of Chaos, and Cryptolith Fragment You can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. It's fun, it's a little weird, it's a cool card. Which is why "the next end step" works, because when your opponent ends their turn its technically the turn after the "next end of turn" and doesn't trigger. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Rulings. <i>(Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Switch . Feeds | This doesnt work the way you want it to. The End Phase consists of two steps, the End Step and the Cleanup Step.The End Step doesn't really do much, it basically exists so that triggers looking for it can trigger and gives players a chance to do stuff before the turn ends.The Cleanup Step on the other hand does a lot. If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. This text, though, is unconventional for an ordinary triggered ability, so read it as "At end of combat, exile this creature". #EDH #Commander #MTGWe celebrate ONE YEAR of tune-ups with this patron-submitted list led by Obeka, Brute Chronologist! Obeka, Brute Chronologist. It has " Tap: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. If this happens, players will have a chance to cast spells and activate abilities, then there will be another cleanup step before the turn is over. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Flip (for another land, maybe a better rock, there is Thought Vessel, but fixing is sweet in Grixis). slythr: Answers to your question have been up for a while. "If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. Take extra turns with blue/red for three and just say no after that. Abilities that say "at the beginning of the next end step" (or any other ability that says "at", "whenever", or "when") express triggered abilities, and almost all those triggered abilities go on the stack (including all of them that say "at"). I would even argue there is no loop to propose. It might be allowed in the rules, but it seems like a dick move tbh, My playgroup plays with combos like this. Because the trigger for the token destruction is for combat steps only after the original creature (or copies) attacked. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. TappedOut.js Blog Widget, ETB - Create one ore two tokens (Obeka, Kiki-Jiki, Phyrexian Dreadnought & Minamo, School at Water's Edge), Obeka's Ability and "At the end of YOUR turn" actions, Feldon of the Third Path - Loran's Smile (v1.4). 603.1, 603.3). You can't "but I only did one then you chose no so I do it again" because now you're looping twice to the same board state as a result of the Obeka activation resolution, which is strictly against the rules. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} Active player is distinct from priority. 30-day money back guarantee. I love commander a lot, but man the prices get me down. by DavidBray, Obeka, Temporal Mistress Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Privacy statement | DMCA requests | Does ending the turn at end of combat delay the Final Fortune trigger until my next turn's end step, or does ending the turn with Obeka during combat immediately put any and all end of turn triggers on the stack and I need to find another way to end the turn before those resolve and I lose the game? Reanimation is one of the most popular themes in the entire Magic: The Gathering Commander format. Delina, Wild Mage has an effect that creates a token with an ordinary triggered ability, which says "Exile this creature at end of combat" at the time of this writing. See cards from the most recent sets and discover what players just like you are saying about them. $0.24. Sundial of the Infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)Identity Thief - (G) (SF) (txt)Ball Lightning - (G) (SF) (txt)Heat Shimmer - (G) (SF) (txt)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. @keyframes ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5{0%{transform:rotate(0deg)}to{transform:rotate(1turn)}}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq{--sizePx:0;font-size:4px;position:relative;text-indent:-9999em;border-radius:50%;border:4px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyTextAlpha20);border-left-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);transform:translateZ(0);animation:ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5 1.1s linear infinite}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq,._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{width:var(--sizePx);height:var(--sizePx)}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{border-radius:50%}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq._2qr28EeyPvBWAsPKl-KuWN{margin:0 auto} (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. ._2Gt13AX94UlLxkluAMsZqP{background-position:50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-size:contain;position:relative;display:inline-block} Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. TappedOut.js Blog Widget. It was enjoyable to learn the true back story behind Feldon. If you run Obeka, Brute Chronologist you can play stuff like Goryo's Vengeance, and she stops eot sacrifices. 702.116a]) expresses a delayed triggered ability referring to the beginning of the next end of combat step (C.R. If someone did this to me in a game, I'd just say no x infinity so at most itd result in a draw. Imagine the following scenario: [[Aphetto Alchemist]] equiped with [[Illusionist's Bracers]] with our commander out. Not if 720.3[edit 722.3] (added reference in OP) takes effect. 11/10/2020: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. This site is unaffiliated. This isn't even a real thing. ), Obeka, Brute Chronologist This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#U.. If you're going to run Oriq Loremage, you might slip in a huge creature to Unearth, something like Dragon Tyrant can be huge and not break the bank, Double Strike and Firebreathing are really good together, and you won't have to pay the upkeep with Unearth, he's dead before that matters. To make things even more muddy, you have cards like Corpse Dance where their card text reads end of turn but their oracle text reads end of next end step. EDIT (Sep. 24, 2022): Remove a rule citation. Obeka, Brute Chronologist 's entire textbox simply says "Consequences are stupid." Basically, it exiles anything on the stack, you can end your turn and ignore whatever it is, usually just saying no to poopy effects. is there anyway for obeka's controller controller to keep control of the artifact that was taken due to nabber's effect? [Obeka, Brute Chronologist]] I want to build her so bad but every time I try I hurt my head . If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. Rule juggling is fun but you're overlooking other rules. That's Crazy, Just gonna comment here cos i wanna see where this is going. 719.2e), so that the delayed triggered ability will wait until the next end step whenever that is, even if that's another player's end step (C.R. The end state has Obeka tapped. There are some good resources to show the difference between what goes on the stack and what doesnt with end of turn effects but I dont have them on hand currently and you do have the correct understanding of what effects go on the stacks and what doesnt. by Outcryqq 2 years ago, Post . Coalition Relic can charge for 1 turn, Skyclave Relic is super versatile/rugged, and Everflowing Chalice can be huge if you want, 6-10 mana is absurd but sometimes comes up. Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) If the trigger was a delayed trigger, the ones typically worded "at the beginning of the/your next end step", they only get to trigger once and they did trigger so won't trigger again. Act of Treason, Giant Growth, Crew (Smuggler's Copter), etc will all end on the cleanup step of the current turn. Obeka, Brute Chronologist rulings: 2020-11-10: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. Hello been a while since i've posted here but had a question, an issue came up in an edh game regarding the interaction between Obeka, Brute Chronologist and Treasure Nabber. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. Upvote 1. Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). Therefore you must make your opponent's choice to be to not end the turn in order to even propose the loop to begin with. Obeka Ruling Hey all, my friend recently built an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck and we've been struggling to understand the ruling. [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]]; [[Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker]]. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I figured since the tournament rules stated that the word action could essentially be substituted for choice when resolving loops it would also apply here. Hey all, my friend recently built an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck and weve been struggling to understand the ruling. There is also Kardur, Doomscourge that will force everyone's hand. The Commander's Quarters is your Magic the Gathering source that helps you Command Your Budget! Average Deckbox Price. ._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4{width:100%}._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4:hover ._31L3r0EWsU0weoMZvEJcUA{display:none}._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4 ._31L3r0EWsU0weoMZvEJcUA,._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4:hover ._11Zy7Yp4S1ZArNqhUQ0jZW{display:block}._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4 ._11Zy7Yp4S1ZArNqhUQ0jZW{display:none} The same applies to abilities that begin with "At end of combat, " (e.g., [[Kytheon, Hero of Akros]]), and the same applies to delayed triggered abilities that specify a duration, as in the examples "Until end of turn, whenever" and "Whenever this turn, " (C.R. This site 2023 TappedOut.net, LLC Obeka, Brute Chronologist, illustrated by Jesper Ejsing. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.3b33fc17a17cec1345d4_.css.map*/[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. 3) State-based actions are checked. Per the rules you linked: If two or more players are involved in maintaining a loop within a turn, each player in turn order chooses a number of iterations to perform. Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. I lay plans and strategies while bike riding to my studio. This is also why myriad works. Guest-only advertisements. Commander Legends Foil: Obeka, Brute Chronologist Edition: Commander Legends: Type: Legendary Creature - Ogre Wizard: Cast: Rarity: R: Pow/Tuf: 3/4 . by Maelk. If you expect to have multiple opponents, Goad is a very strong effect, Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant is potentially pretty solid, lots of card draw. obeka, brute chronologist interaction Asked by The_Overlord_666 1 year ago. Because as niche as it sounds, I definitely want to run thawing glaciers in an obeka deck, and an extra mana could be the difference between entering an infinite turn loop with isochron. Thus, you can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. .Rd5g7JmL4Fdk-aZi1-U_V{transition:all .1s linear 0s}._2TMXtA984ePtHXMkOpHNQm{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px;margin-bottom:4px}.CneW1mCG4WJXxJbZl5tzH{border-top:1px solid var(--newRedditTheme-line);margin-top:16px;padding-top:16px}._11ARF4IQO4h3HeKPpPg0xb{transition:all .1s linear 0s;display:none;fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);height:16px;width:16px;vertical-align:middle;margin-bottom:2px;margin-left:4px;cursor:pointer}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:hover ._11ARF4IQO4h3HeKPpPg0xb{display:inline-block}._2IvhQwkgv_7K0Q3R0695Cs{border-radius:4px;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line)}._2IvhQwkgv_7K0Q3R0695Cs:focus{outline:none}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B{transition:all .1s linear 0s;border-radius:4px;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line)}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:focus{outline:none}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B.IeceazVNz_gGZfKXub0ak,._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:hover{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk{margin-top:25px;left:-9px}._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP,._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP:focus-within,._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP:hover{transition:all .1s linear 0s;border:none;padding:8px 8px 0}._25yWxLGH4C6j26OKFx8kD5{display:inline}._2YsVWIEj0doZMxreeY6iDG{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;padding:4px 6px}._1hFCAcL4_gkyWN0KM96zgg{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);margin-right:8px;margin-left:auto;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-errorText)}._1hFCAcL4_gkyWN0KM96zgg,._1dF0IdghIrnqkJiUxfswxd{font-size:12px;font-weight:700;line-height:16px;cursor:pointer;-ms-flex-item-align:end;align-self:flex-end;-webkit-user-select:none;-ms-user-select:none;user-select:none}._1dF0IdghIrnqkJiUxfswxd{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._3VGrhUu842I3acqBMCoSAq{font-weight:700;color:#ff4500;text-transform:uppercase;margin-right:4px}._3VGrhUu842I3acqBMCoSAq,.edyFgPHILhf5OLH2vk-tk{font-size:12px;line-height:16px}.edyFgPHILhf5OLH2vk-tk{font-weight:400;-ms-flex-preferred-size:100%;flex-basis:100%;margin-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX{margin-top:6px}._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._3MAHaXXXXi9Xrmc_oMPTdP{margin-top:4px} Okay, hear me out, but what if you could steal someone's big, bad creature, forever, for just three mana*? Here is how it would work. Has Purphoros been working well for you? yeaGO i was thinking for commander wise Crosis, the Purger, Lord Xander, the Collector,Marchesa, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Card Text. Obeka, Brute Chronologist | Upping the Average EDHRECast 50.1K subscribers Subscribe 1K 30K views 9 months ago Check out BOTH decklists below! Help | Thanks! Otherwise, priority would not pass to all players during a cleanup step, and there would be no need for a second end-the-turn effect? I have demonstrated a loop. Sorry, beginning of next end step on the oracle text for corpse dance, my bad. It seems you have the correct knowledge of how Obekas ability works, but here is a link for sundial of the infinite which acts exactly the same as Obeka. ]), Made possible by our patrons, phpBB, Scryfall, and Others. If you're using Goad effects, War Tax can let an opponent have a way around them, if there is a tax to attack Goad fails, and War Cadence is absolutely devastating with Goad, even a tax of 1 to block can make blocking impossible for weenie decks, and you can use either on anyone's turn. 2020-11-10. you're trying to force a different outcome via infinite loop. Wouldn't this trigger at every end step? Rulings. Opponent says no. by LordsofChaos115, Sedris, Grave Defiler. Obeka's effect jumps directly to the Cleanup Step from whatever step/phase the game currently is at.If the game was in a step/phase prior to the End Step, it would skip past the End Step so nothing triggering on the End Step would trigger this turn. NM; EX; VG; G; 2 available @ $0.79 . I wanted to ask - when you say for Delina: Don't you mean "At the end of next combat."? (Note the lack of the word "next".) Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard 3/4: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Visions of Duplicity can create some chaos with it's two casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures. The entire reason Obeka has 'may' in the card text is to prevent this. From what I understand, end step effects go on the stack and can be canceled by ending the turn with Obeka, but until end of turn effects do not go on the stack and happen with the cleanup step, therefore they cannot be interacted with. 3) State-based actions are checked. Post Please link all cards using double brackets. Should I enter the end phase, then use Obeka to exile the "you lose the game" ability, then during the cleanup step Thawing Glaciers would trigger, and I would need to either use a Sundial of the Infinite, or untap Obeka with a spell or ability and use her ability again? If you consistently have a fairly big creature, or one with Deathtouch and Lifelink, Chandra's Ignition is one sided by definition, one of many cards that shines brightly with Basilisk Collar (which is also very good with Jaya Ballard, Task Mage or even good old Banshee, Jaya's 6 damage wipe really is amazing if you've got Collar on her, though it'll kill her too). Steal shit, don't give it back. 99.9% of the time you should be ending your own turn, but on the odd occasion you could use it as a tool to prevent other players from using instants during other players turns. This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. It doesn't work at all. either he does it once and tries to do it again and he's repeating the board state before "demonstrating a loop", or he's stacking x number of unresolved obeka activations. It also has the active player discard down to hand size if they're over their hand size limit. I may have to put it together and try it out. The beginning state has Obeka untapped. If this happens, players will have a chance to cast spells and activate abilities, then there will be another cleanup step before the turn is over.". ", Edit: the majority was right. Artist: Jesper Ejsing. 719.1b), but it will still trigger again at the next appropriate moment (C.R. $0.10. Oneka's second ruling states Say you could build a deck around just Goatnapper-ing someone else's commander and now swinging back at them? If anyone has any information on this and can help us out, it would be much appreciated. Infinity is not a number, so you cannot select it. Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. Card Text: . ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}.icon._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;vertical-align:middle;padding-right:8px}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END Decklist CMC Mana Prices Charts Draw 7 Commander 1 Obeka, Brute Chronologist Hand into play 1 Sneak Attack 1 Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded Token copies of creatures 1 Mimic Vat 1 Flameshadow Conjuring 1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Graveyard to battlefield 1 Araumi of the Dead Tide Another value card is Dredge the Mire, which can cheat in the 3 worst creatures in people's graveyards, note certain creatures will kill you if you control them, so check before playing! 603.7). Basically, it exiles anything on the stack, you can end your turn and ignore whatever it is, usually just saying no to poopy effects. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Feeds | $1.80. Card Name: Obeka, Brute Chronologist Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4 Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard Card Text: : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. That way the trigger has gone off and will not trigger again at a later end step. Contact | Obeka, Brute Chronologist + Final Fortune + Elite Arcanist/Isochron Scepter = Infinite turns lol. I play Magic the gathering. Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). OP's wrong about how multi-player loops function, though. How long can I stop the game like this, and are there any penalties I would suffer under the rules? I'm sure no one else is too surprised though . What if someone else Goatnappers someone else's stuff, and you politic your way into a deal; "Hey, bud, you have a cool creature. I play a lot of Magic. Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. However, I see the argument against you choosing a certain card in the deck to be on top after you imply an infinite number of shuffles, if that was what was really going on. Add to Cart 1; 2; $0.63 . Obeka, Brute Chronologist rulings: 2020-11-10: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. I think we need more artifact mana. Sets Obeka, Brute Chronologist has been printed in: Commander Legends Commander Legends Magic Online Promos. by Chakagozio, Speak "friend" and Enter [PRIMER] All of 722 has relevant text to the interaction but the exploit I'm proposing utilizes 722.3 specifically: "Sometimes a loop can be fragmented, meaning that each player involved in the loop performs an independent action that results in the same game state being reached multiple times. Good job, WotC. Would it just come down to whoever loses patience first? This includes spells and abilities . by Olive_pdx, unthinkable apocalypse By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I'm curious to see a judge rule on this one. Based on CR 722.2a. .LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH{fill:var(--newRedditTheme-actionIcon);height:18px;width:18px}.LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH rect{stroke:var(--newRedditTheme-metaText)}._3J2-xIxxxP9ISzeLWCOUVc{height:18px}.FyLpt0kIWG1bTDWZ8HIL1{margin-top:4px}._2ntJEAiwKXBGvxrJiqxx_2,._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{vertical-align:middle}._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center} 603.7b; see also [[Bonus Round]] and [[Glimpse of Nature]]). by darrenhabib 1 year ago. But with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite), you can "cancel" certain abilities that say "at the beginning of the next end step" or "at end of combat", if you end the turn at the right moment. https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/, https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296. 603.7b, 614.10a). Obeka, Brute Chronologist can be used during opponents turns, but it is a may ability. Donate below to support the site and remove all ads. Min price of the total 35 cards for sale. Now, if the End Step began, all those "beginning of the end step" triggers have triggered and are on the stack waiting to resolve.The interesting thing is that if you end the turn with them waiting to resolve, the triggers get exiled and the game advances to the Cleanup Step. Bident of Thassa is glorious if you want both of it's effects, forcing people to attack is incredibly mean, and this doesn't require you to run a weenie like Goblin Diplomats, but that's also a fun card fwiw. by LoneEmberFTW, New Lord Obeka, Brute Chronologist. I activate Aphetto Alchemist targeting itself and Obeka. In response you, as the active player, activate obeka. Ashes to Ashes and Reckless Spite also exist fwiw, and if you aren't certain you'll have creatures out, Tergrid's Shadow can do a bit of work, as can Plaguecrafter or Demon's Disciple, cards Sedris can recur for 2B even. Commander / EDH Multiplayer Tokens UBR (Grixis) Cobara86. The ending point of this sequence must be a place where a player has priority, though it need not be the player proposing the shortcut. 719.1d; see also C.R. Add to Cart 1; $0.32 . Out of stock. On my opponent's upkeep I activate Obeka. During an opponent's draw step, I tap Obeka and ask if they want to end their turn. Also worth noting is that ending the turn before the end step causes the At the beginning of the end step effects to trigger at the next end step that occurs since they were not triggered given the skipping of the end step. If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. EDH decks and themes I'm currently playing! Obeka, Brute Chronologist. 108.1). It is strictly against the rules. 603.7b, 719.1b), even on future end steps, so that in the case of "Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step" (see also [[Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker]]), that ability won't "[s]acrifice it" even in future end steps. So if you act of treason something and skip your end step, you do get to keep it, but at the end of your next opponents turn the effect triggers again since it's unresolved and open/active. 719.1d; see also C.R. Most combos actually win a game in the way they're designed; infinite mana, infinite damage, infinite turns, infinite blink. Edit: adding comprehensive rules reference. Thanks genius for the link. When it comes to Obeka (and [[Sundial of the Infinite]]), there is a difference between "until end of turn" and "at the beginning of the next end step". Check out BOTH decklists below!First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#Upping_the_Average_-_Obeka,_Brute_ChronologistBudget list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2270235#Upping_the_Average_-_Obeka,_Brute_Chronologist_(Budget)Title sequence by Daniel Woodling / MTG Explainers: https://bit.ly/3982yYaCard images courtesy of Scryfall: https://scryfall.com/Elevate by LiQWYD https://soundcloud.com/liqwydCreative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported CC BY 3.0Free Download / Stream: https://bit.ly/liqwyd-elevateMusic promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/nwV8HN0m2eA -. If I understand, the Thawing Glaciers cleanup-step trigger reestablishes priority. RULINGS. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Commander) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX 5291 decks (0.269%) Rank #71 Navigation By Theme By Budget All Cheap Expensive Links Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution Commander Color Restriction Rules w/ Component Pouch. This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. You have to choose a finite amount of times to execute the loop. We are mainly confused about at the next end step and until end of turn effects. This doesn't work because you are the active player. Thanks for this detailed breakdown! What you are looking for are words that qualify that specific end of turn. It no longer is printed on cards (and has been errated off of old cards) to signify a trigger. by benjameenbear 2 years ago, Post So they can still say "no I want my turn to continue.". You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. 1x. If the turn ends with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite). And even if I'm wrong on both of those, I can almost gaurentee that if you tried this at a tournament a judge would accept "I'm going to say no to ending my turn indefinitely" as a reasonable way to end this loop. Signets and talismans seem extra good since they let us cast Obeka on turn 3. before the end step, the turn will move to the cleanup step (skipping any phases and steps in between, including end steps) (C.R. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. by RowanKeltizar 2 years ago, Post The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. All combos are rules exploits in one way or another, this one is just more original. In the future, you can take care of this yourself using the "Mark as Answer" button on the response that you feel best answers your question. Obeka interaction question with cards that read "next end Obeka until end of turn vs at next end step. Obeka, Brute Chronologist's entire textbox simply says "Consequences are stupid.". This trigger looks for the next end step to happen and triggers at that time. Card Kingdom price: $0.00. "Until end of turn" is now used exclusively for defining a duration of an effect. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. A trigger waiting for "the beginning of the next end step" would trigger on the next turn's End Step (assuming it happens, your opponent might have an Obeka too). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} If you end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite), this will move the turn to the cleanup step (C.R. Magic Online Promos Rare. by Jack-Frost, Obeka, Reckless Chronicler The only stipulated way in the rules (for the given scenario) to force your opponent to take an action they don't want to take is via 722.3. Effects that end 'at end of turn' and effects that end at the beginning of an end step. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. 3) State-based actions are checked. Patrons help maintain an ad-light experience, and are never shown ads. After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. Because otherwise it would trigger again on the combat phase of the next player, wouldn't it? Then I talk about the interaction with extra turn cards in the "Extra turns" section. Similar Deck Space Card Recommendations Commander Recommendations. There are abilities that trigger "at the beginning of the next cleanup step", but they're relatively rare (examples are found in [[Thawing Glaciers]], [[Waylay]], and [[Armor of Thorns]]). by JovialJovian 2 years ago, Post If you use Obeka with Act, you still give the creature back. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} 'end step' effect: Hate Mirage. Also "in turn order" doesn't necessarily mean "starting with the active player". Contact | If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. Magic: The Gathering. Privacy statement | Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. I use Mass Diminish more aggressively, to make a player hyper-vulnerable to attackers (and make them unable to counter attack), getting two casts is just savage. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. I just realized that your Avatar "Kaho, Minamo Historian" goes infinite for 6 mana with Finale Fortune o.O, Wish we could find room for Glorious End as well. This sequence may be a non-repetitive series of choices, a loop that repeats a specified number of times, multiple loops, or nested loops, and may even cross multiple turns. Cards that grant players an extra turn are always good to keep an eye on. If the turn ends with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled (C.R. Necromantic Selection not only clears the field, it also gives you back the best thing, this is extra juicy if you use some sort of Indestructible creature(s) that won't die. Rulings. He occupies a happy place in my Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck. 603.3). Wouldn't underworld breach exile at the end step of the next player: "At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Underworld Breach." Isochron Scepter + Final Fortune + Obeka, Brute Chronologist (1582 decks) $13.99 $10.83 0.16 TIX Isochron Scepter $14.99 $15.68 1.01 TIX Final Fortune If I put a +1/+1 counter on a creature that has a -1/- Can i exile my commander from the graveyard into the Press J to jump to the feed. This site 2023 TappedOut.net, LLC On the other hand, the phrase "at the beginning of the next end step" expresses what is called a delayed triggered ability (it has the word "at") (C.R. This kind of ability goes on the stack after it triggers (C.R. Legalities. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - (G) (SF) (txt)Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker - (G) (SF) (txt)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, Thank you so much everybody! Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything on this. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} Magic the Gathering, FNM is TM and copyright Wizards of the Coast, Inc, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. A couple days ago my friend told me the heard about a quirky rules lawyer-y interaction involving [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]] that I just love if it's true. Pssh, the best thing about this card is the fact that it turns. TCGPlayer Mkt $565 - 472. I was playing a buddy of mine over the weekend and he had a good suggestion for my deck, which relies heavily on recurring creatures or making tokens and then keeping those creatures/tokens by skipping the end of turn triggers: darrenhabib how has the deck been doing for you? Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. Well finally got my sweaty palms on the cards needed for the deck and played out about 10 games. We ask the question "what can we do . Is "Deflecting Swat" free if my commander is an enchantment? Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. 1 available @ $0.47 . Go ahead and say nuh-uh to whatever shit is flying in your face. One one hand, all actions and decisions are voluntary and not mandatory, so it's not a forced draw. hey guys just rule checking . Sets / Printings. Priority passes to you. Playtest v1. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Decks Combos Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Card) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX In 3180 decks 1% of 232421 decks Navigation Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. If games are about having fun even competitively; this ain't it chief. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.ea0ac1df4e6491a16d39_.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} obeka - (G) (SF) (txt)sundial of the infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)._3K2ydhts9_ES4s9UpcXqBi{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%} So, if I may ask, say I want to Final Fortune for an extra turn but also get bonus mana from Thawing Glaciers during that extra turn. Press J to jump to the feed. If you swing at who I want, I'll let you keep it for a while. Now, according to https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/ [edit: and 722.3 see below] two players are involved in making decisions that keep this loop going. Ive done a lot of reading and keep getting conflicting information. by Muffins1001 1 year ago, Post Me, and the opponent choosing not to end the turn. It cant include conditional actions, where the outcome of a game event determines the next action a player takes. One thing to note about the clean up step here, from gatherer: If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. A forum for Questions and Discussions about the Rules of Magic the Gathering. Also, I think loops generally have to do something for a judge to not consider them stalling, and I don't think making my opponent say "no" counts as doing something. So you would then need to make a choice to not activate Obeka? Before you even reach the "I am demonstrating a loop" statement you're attempting to repeat the board state already, or your loop hasn't resolved a single "NO" response yet. Firecat Blitz: how does it effect tokens that disappear on the end step . Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. during the end step and while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again (C.R. As with "beginning of the next end step" abilities, if you end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while a "beginning of the next cleanup step" ability is on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again. Card Kingdom $624 - 564. The rules manager confirmed this doesn't work the way I'd like it too https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296 interesting that they don't consider choices independent actions. Obeka is a lot trickier to know what you can and can't do than she seems on the surface, and part of this is due to obsolete wording found on some of the best cards to use her with. by Astroburrito, Kess Wizzards by not-a-cube 2 years ago, Post If you end the turn once it has, the trigger won't ever resolve. Add To Wishlist Restock Notice Gatherer & Rulings. On the other hand, neither player has any incentive to ever change their action or decision. After looking into the rules surrounding loops and using the best of my judgely knowledge, it does appear to work, but I can't find any specific mentions of the situation on oracle rulings, or threads of the interaction in general, which seemed odd to me, considering the strangeness of this interaction. Rulings. 11/10/2020: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. They naturally refuse. Kougaiji38, you seem to have some misconceptions. 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